Sobriety Gaining Movement

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Good morning everyone. Welcome to Can't Catch a Break. I am your host, Reese, and I am joined today by a new friend of mine. His name is Gabe. And welcome Gabe to the podcast. Welcome to Can't Catch a Break.

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Yeah, no, thank you, Reese. I'm glad to be here and appreciate the opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 0:20

Of course. Gabe and I met and you know a nice little gay Facebook sober group has kind of been our theme lately. Um, and we hit it all off. We've been talking podcasts left and right, and you know, it's just a brother from another mother supporting each other. So I'm super excited to hear, you know, your story. So, you know, talking about a period of time where, you know, life was just punching you left, right, uppercut, and you know, just couldn't get back up type of a deal.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

Yeah, for sure. Uh, I always like to give a little context because I think it like makes sense for later. Okay. Um just kind of the build-up, I guess I would say. Um, so I grew up in a small town, uh, West Texas, and where it's like all you have is football, oil, and Christianity. Oh, okay. So it was, yeah. Very uh top three. Yeah, right in the Bible belt. And so growing up, uh, you know, it was always like I felt different, you know, I didn't really know what it was at the time, but you know, I still had a great family, loving family, supportive. I had friends and everything. But it wasn't until like fourth grade is when I found out, oh, I like guys, you know, I'm more attracted to men. And, you know, at that age, kids are mean, bullies, and um, so I always hid, you know, I always tried to make myself smaller, and it kind of just kept escalating. And, you know, when I got to uh what was it, high school, you know, I was I kept myself so busy and activities and everything, so I could always say, Oh, I'm just too busy to have a girlfriend. And I had girlfriends here and there, but it was just never like any work.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

But it's like, oh yeah, I got high school practice, then I got then I got club practice till eight, then I gotta go do homework till ten. Like there's just no time, there's zero time. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

And then of course, you know, the questions go go around, and you know, I'm having to defend myself and whatever happens, so it made me even shrink more, you know, to where it was it was just it was it just messes with your head, right? And like I don't know how to cope, I don't know what I'm doing. So the first time I tried alcohol, it was off of uh what was it, wine coolers and stuff. And uh I just remember drinking it and just my mind went silent. It was refreshing. I didn't understand, you know, I I wanted to be funny, I wanted to be, you know, the center of attention, and it didn't become a problem then, um, not until because I was still underage, so I I wasn't fortunate enough to have older friends or whatever to buy me alcohol, right? So it wasn't until I went to college and I still wasn't out then, so I'm still battling that. Um I go to college and I cheered in college, and so automatically it was you're 21, no matter what. So drinking, partying, and it just quickly became that. And so it led to pretty much just drinking, and then I'd have all these outbursts of because I held everything in, I didn't know how to talk about my feelings or anything like that. Yeah, so finally I came out and uh it was great. I mean, I think cheerleading obviously is the it's the easiest right. I'm right.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

First of all, I am so jealous. I have tried learning how to do a back tech or a round off back tech for years, but I'm 35 years old. I used to do handsprings as a kid, but that was as far as it got. So I'm jealous you could could, you know, do flips.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Yeah, well, my body hates it now. I'll say that.

SPEAKER_01 4:45

I was gonna say we're too old for that right now.

SPEAKER_00 4:47

Yeah, the way my hips and my knees, it's just it was fun at the time, but not right now. Right, right. Um, but yeah, no, I mean it it was a lot of fun. I got to meet a lot of people, and you know, in college you're just drinking because that that's the thing to do. And I went to uh Texas Tech in Lubbock, Texas, where the closest town is hours away, right? So there wasn't a lot to do other than that, and it was still a big football college town, and so it wasn't until grad school is when I started drinking for because of stress, you know. I it was just a lot harder, and that's when it kind of uh started to get a little bit more intense, I guess. I guess I would say, and then of course I get a couple uh run-ins with the law, a couple DWIs, and you would think that would have uh had a flag their life together, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:52

Yeah, you're like little red red flag, like hey guys, come on.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Right, and so it didn't. Um I ended up graduating and moving to Dallas, and while I was in Dallas, um I had a IOP by the court, and I had to go to AA and but at the time I'm like I don't have a drinking problem. It never even dawned on me. Um so I would go through this Iop, I would work around how I would time it out, like, oh, I can drink these weekends, clean up just in case I get tested, right? And so I think it did start to plan a seed though of like my drinking, but at the time I moved to Dallas, I didn't know anybody, so I went out and I drank because that's what you do, right? That's all you do, exactly. And I met a great group of friends, and uh everybody else was drinking just the same, or what I thought was the same. Um, and that pretty much happened for 10 years, uh uh straight drinking, and you know, the group that I have we'd go out every Friday. Uh Friday, 5 30, go to a couple of bars, and then end up at one bar, and then that was it. It became a routine. That became a routine, yes. And then I started getting like three four-day hangovers, and then you know what happens with all the you know, those and I still wasn't dealing with my emotions, so I would get in fights, not fight, physical fights, but arguments and outbursts, and you know, when I'm drunk, I'm a smart ass. I think when I'm sober, I'm a smart ass, but it that's like below the belt.

SPEAKER_01 7:55

I know, but when we were drunk, we're even bigger of a smart ass.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

But um, you know, there were a couple of instances where I took it too far, and uh, so then I would start to rethink. And then I would try to do the dry Januaries, you know. Sober October wasn't even a thing then, but I would try to take time off, um, and I would get like two weeks in, and it'd be like, Alright, I'm I'm good, I'm fine. And then there was one instance where it was um it was a Sunday, and the only time I would go, I would um stop drinking or no, I would never do Sunday fun day, excuse me, because I would get really bad hangovers, and if I had to go into work, I wouldn't do Sunday Fun Day. Well, it was a holiday, so I was like, yay. And so I'm well on my way to blacking out, and uh there was a moment where it kind of came to and I was like, I'm okay with being being this type of person, being able to drink and do the things that I do because I've been doing it for so long, and all I had to do was apologize. Right. And then I blacked out, and then the next day felt like crap, and uh that scared the hell out of me. That really scared me because I was like, that's not the person I want to be. Like, I hate arguing with people, I hate being that person who has to apologize. Like, I'd go on an apology tour every Saturday, Sunday, and it was just a mess. And so I tried going to AA willingly this time, I'll say. And uh I went in, you know, I didn't say anything, I kind of sat at the back, but I just remember being approached by like three people. Do you have a sponsor? Take my number, here's this, and it was just overwhelming. It was very overwhelming. I was like, I don't even know what the hell a sponsor is. Like, I don't get it.

SPEAKER_01 10:24

And uh it's like, do I get a paid ad sponsor or like right?

SPEAKER_00 10:28

Like, what do we do in here? Like, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

What do we do here? What am I sponsoring?

SPEAKER_00 10:33

Yeah, I mean, I knew of the steps, but I didn't it just uh you didn't know the steps, yeah, and it was too structured for me, and so that always like that on top of that, plus I it was uh gay men's AA, and some of the things that were said in there were just not it was a little bitchy, I'll say, to say the least, you know. But I mean you get a group of sober gay guys, and I get I I get I know exact I get it.

SPEAKER_01 11:10

I know exactly what you're saying. So yes, I I am picking up what you're putting down, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

So with all that said, like all that that happened, I just I I just went back to drinking. It wasn't I was like, this isn't really for me. Um and a lot of it was I'm not where they're at, right? I'm not drinking like them, I'm not doing the things that they're doing. So again, I don't have a problem.

SPEAKER_01 11:37

Right. You were comparing yourself to like, you know, we hear people, you know, in the rooms, what we call it, is like, oh, they would drink like, you know, two, three cases of wine coolers like every day to where, you know, and same thing, it's like, yeah, I only have like one like you know, bottle of wine, like it's not as much as they are, so like I can't like I'm not connecting. So like I yeah, I get it, and I'm sure a lot of people out there like understand that same thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

And like one of the biggest things is when I got to Dallas, I wasn't drinking every day, and like even when I quit, I was only drinking one time a week, but I mean I drank the bar, you know, when I did go. Um, I didn't know what a binge drinker was. I didn't know I mean it what was the word uh weekend warrior, didn't know what that was, you know, and so like again, like you said, comparing people, I just didn't I was like, well, that's not me. So I don't have a problem. You know, I still have a full-time job. I'm you know, I I'm in a relationship now. You're the functioning alcoholic. Uh-huh. Very that, very that. And so, you know, that went on for a while, and then you know, I I'm I am married. Um and then there was one time again, it just went too far, and uh my phone died. I thought it was a great idea to walk home and walk to this uh convenience store and got a ride home. Someone was nice enough just to drive me home because I the plan was to try to buy a charger, a phone charger, so I can charge my phone and then call my husband. Right, but I freaked my husband out, and that was when I was like, okay, something does need to change, something does need to change, and you know, just kind of thinking about it, you know, for the longest time I started getting bored of going out, you know, doing the same cycle, and but I didn't know how to, you know, once my husband told me, like, it's now affecting him because before, like I said, I would just apologize for everything and it'd be okay, right? But I felt like one of the things it was like afraid of death. I was afraid of dying, you know. And now that I'm sober, it was like that. I'm not necessarily afraid of death, I'm afraid of not living because like when I was drinking, it was like I saw this whole version of me of who I wanted to be, and it was just I was stuck in this cycle, I did not know how to get out of it. I would try to quit drinking, I would try to, you know, again comparing myself to my friends, they're still doing all the same stuff, they're getting just as drunk as me. So it was just a really shitty cycle. And I started downloading podcasts, started download, but I would never listen to any podcast.

SPEAKER_01 15:02

Okay, right? That like, yes, you download a bunch of them, but then you're like, oh my god, like you hear one, you love it, you resonate with it, you download another one, and then it's like okay, I'm just not gonna listen to that one.

SPEAKER_00 15:18

Yes, yeah, well, because I was like, I know the second that I start listening, I'm it's gonna tell me, you know what you don't want to hear, right? And so after that, like after I saw like the hurt in my husband's eyes, and just like that on top of just the anxieties growing, the this cycle of I'm like, what the hell am I doing? Like it just kind of just you know, I you start stacking up all the shitty things you've done in the past, and it's just I just got to that point where I was like, no, something needs to change. Um, so one of the podcasts that I was following, uh started also following on Instagram, and uh there was an online community, and I was like, okay, online, I'm not gonna get bombarded like I did in AA. And so I went and my first meeting, it was called the struggle bus, and I was like, well, it's very fitting.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

I was gonna say this is very fitting for where we're at right now. Right. So it was speaking right to you at the time.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

It really was, and it was crazy because it was I downloaded the app on a Monday, I didn't look at it until Tuesday, and that was the day that that was the meeting that happened to be that night, the struggle bus. And I was like, Okay, alright, that's it. And so I went and uh, you know, these are everyday people, these are people that some I'm like I would never think would have an issue, you know. I mean, and it's it's kind of funny to say, but like the host, she was beautiful, like just I'm like, you have an issue with alcohol, like what? Like it just I was like, no. But as we're talking and I'm hearing these people's stories, I'm like, I related so much and in a different way that I didn't realize I could relate to someone.

SPEAKER_01 17:38

That was gonna be like my next little question. It's like did any of those relate to you? Like, I know you're saying like the host, like she had you know her crazy story to where I was like, I probably didn't relate, but then like at some point, one of them I was hoping was gonna like resonate with you.

SPEAKER_00 17:58

Yeah, well, what the funny thing was is when I like the I always say like this is how alcohol makes you feel, makes you feel so like in your own little bubble. Right. I thought I invented moderation. I mean, I'm like half joking, but like I thought I was the only one going out and being like, okay, I'm gonna get a club soda after this drink, or I'm gonna get a glass of water after this drink. But I heard that and I'm like, wow, like that was the first time I ever heard anybody else doing it. Yeah, and so I was like, okay, and then another share, I'm like, oh yeah, I get that. And so by the end of that meeting, you know, I don't even remember what I said. Like, I I remember introducing myself, but couldn't tell you right what that was, and so I just I was like, okay, let me keep going. Because then there's different hosts, and um, yeah, so then it was like that kind of started my sober journey. And you've been sober reminding me how long? Um, as of August 23rd, 2026, I hit two years.

SPEAKER_01 19:15

That's my birthday.

SPEAKER_00 19:17

Really?

SPEAKER_01 19:18

August 23rd. Oh my god. Lots of good things happened that day. Lots of good things. It's my favorite holiday. Now it's gonna be my second, or your favorite, yeah, even more things on the 23rd. That is crazy. Pants. Oh my god, I love it. But hey, two years is phenomenal. So congrats. How was your first year? Because that's always pretty much the toughest. So, how was your first?

SPEAKER_00 19:52

I had three months, and then I had a slip, and so from that slip, August 23rd, so I've continuously had no alcohol since then. So um, I've been at this for a little over two and a half years, but the first year was and I say this because I compare it to my second year, it was almost easier because I just had one goal, and that was just not drink. Right. That was like I early on, you know, they said you don't have to take on everything. You know, you hear people say, I want to give up alcohol, smoking, sweets, I want to get back in the gym. Like this whole thing, and finding another vice, finding a I'm exactly like that. Like I will do everything, and so that was my main goal was just to get the one year, no alcohol. Yeah, and uh obviously it wasn't easy because I did have a slip, but from that slip I learned so much, it just kind of clicked for me. Was it a big slip or a little? It was just one night. Um so I had a trip planned, uh, Southern Decadence in New Orleans. Um, and I had already booked it, everything was paid for beforehand. Um, but I stopped drinking, you know, three months before that. And so I was like, okay, and I just had this internal battle. Am I gonna drink? Am I not gonna drink? You know, in my online group, I was, you know, I was telling them I'm like struggling with this, but I'm trying to set up everything I can. Like I found there was someone there that was sober, and they were gonna pass out like little wrists, uh, brain. Bracelets to let people know. Yeah. Um, so if you're in a bar and you see someone, it's like, oh hey, um, you know, so I I was feeling good, but on in my real life, I'm saying, oh, I don't know yet, or I might just be drinking when I go on vacations, or you know, I was still battling. So finally I just got fed up with it and I was like, fuck it, I'm just gonna drink. Yeah, and uh, but I wasn't gonna drink in New Orleans the first time back after three months. I was like, no, let me ease into this. So the weekend the week before I went out and I drank. I like I hadn't stopped. Um, I didn't even think about moderating or even trying to have just one or two drinks or anything, it just went straight through.

SPEAKER_01 22:50

You you went hard, you went hard, yeah, you went hard.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Yeah, and I remember that first drink, and it just burned going on the way down. My stomach literally was nauseous, yeah. But I just powered through, um, and nothing bad happened that day, that night, and I got home with my best friend, and all I had in the house were uh non-alcoholic beers, so that's what we're drinking at the end of the night, and uh, you know, I just like looked over and I was just like, I'm I think I'm just done with alcohol because I didn't have any more fun drinking than what I did when in those three months.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

It's like you you know, you do that sobriety thing for you know those first three months and then you like take a drink and you're kind of like kind of like you just said it's not like you didn't miss it, it's just like why like why why am I doing this? It's fine.

SPEAKER_00 24:01

I learned a lot from it. Like, why am I drinking one time a week to destroy my entire week? Right, you know, it's just like then I started in my online community. That's when I really realized how kind of high level I was sharing in that community. I wasn't really diving into it. Um and I I'm a firm believer in order for this to work, is you just have to get real with yourself, you have to be honest with yourself and 100% be okay to share, be okay to be vulnerable, you know, because that you have to get to the reason why you're not or why you feel like you need to drink.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

So that was one of the biggest things for me, too. It was like you're telling yours, like you're lying to yourself and you're drinking, like I'm fine, I'm fine, it's totally cool. You know, one glass of wine or one bottle won't hurt, whatever. But then, like you just said, then you have to get real with yourself, and you have to do a lot of things that are they're going to make you uncomfortable, right? Like you have to search, look inward, and all that stuff, and that's scary for a lot of people. I mean, I was terrified when I had to do it too. I was, you know, doing my IOP and like how to get real, and sometimes you're just like bawling your eyes out because you get like like you said, you just get real with your emotions, have to get real with yourself if like the sobriety is going to work at all.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Yeah, that first year it was a lot about learning why I didn't drink or why I wanted to drink, right? Um and then of course it got easier, you know, using the tools, having the community. I think having some type of community was huge. Yeah, I mean that's the you can't do this alone.

SPEAKER_01 26:04

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. No. And you know, that kind of leads into like my next little question is like it's like you have your husband, he was in your corner and you got like your community. Did you like lose anybody like from your corner when you were kind of going through this or you know, making you know the amends you make amends and they still like don't want anything to do with you? So like who is in your corner, you know, helping you out through all of it.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Yeah, I mean, 100% my husband, you know, he I mean, one, he just put up with all the crap I put him through, um, and he kind of still stuck with me. Um he loves you, he loves you, yeah, yeah, for sure. And we actually started dating right before COVID, and then his lease was up, we were renewing ours, and so he moved in like a few months before COVID happened, and we're like, well, if we can get through COVID together, like, but we we can we can get through anything. We'll be fine, we'll be fine. Yeah, he gave me a lot of inspiration to like again just kind of thinking about it all. But yeah, my community, um, it's not a program, it's more just peer support, and you know, you start telling these people more stuff, like deeper stuff than you tell your best friends, you know, because they get it, yes, you know what I mean, like they get it more, and you start to gravitate towards people a little bit more, so I you know, I text them a lot more. Um, one of the things that I really rely on is myself. Like, I I am sometimes my best cheerleader. I know the stuff that I'm putting in for this and all the work that I'm doing for this, and I know what's gonna get me motivated, I know what's gonna push me, and so yeah, sometimes I have to rely on myself, which is a good thing. Yeah, because there's a lot of times that you know I just didn't trust myself, right? You know, when I was drinking, so it's like it's almost a good feeling. Like I can't, you know, I can trust myself, I can rely on myself and be the person I want to be now. So yeah, I would say like those those are the best people in my corner for sure.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

What about you know, family-wise, you know, small town, you know, Christian lifestyle, like how was that all throughout the process?

SPEAKER_00 28:56

Um they've been amazing. I mean, so yeah, we grew up Catholic and we lived right across the street from the church. So you were like really Catholic. Yeah, so we were heavily involved, and uh, but my family was your typical. I mean, they always supported me, even when I came out, they supported me. Um, so I'm very grateful for them and very uh, you know, I love them so much. And that again, they put up with my bullshit, they paid for you know some of the DWIs and you know lawyers and stuff like that. Yeah, so I you know they're a big motivation of me wanting to do this and me wanting to be the best version I can be because that's what they wanted. I think uh we always want our kids or whatever to be better than us, and so I wasn't at that point, so right, yeah. They're they're they're a good strong support system. I talk to my mom all the time, definitely, you know, being Mexican, mama's boy, like, and I'm the youngest of two, or youngest of three, and I have two older sisters. So like there you go. Some might say spoiled. I just say I'm fortunate.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

It's right, it's always the last I'm the pro I'm number three at four, so I'm the problem job, but the last one, yep, fortunate will is the best way to put it.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

We're very fortunate.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

We are grateful, we are grateful for all of it, exactly. If someone came to you, like this same question you asked me on yours, like if someone was coming to you and they were like, you know, punch after punch after punch after punch, like what would you tell them on how to, you know, punch back?

SPEAKER_00 31:07

I would tell them to really really think about it. Really think about it because after my slip, it was so clear to me that me and alcohol didn't work. Right. And I would just tell them really think about it. If this is something you want to do, just try it out. You know, give it give it 30 days, give it a hundred days. You know, because I mean you can always go back if you want to, but see how you feel in those 30 days. You know, see what you can do in those 30 days. You know, I got a I have a tattoo of the Roman numeral 24. Um you know, because it is just 24 hours in a day, and it's what can you do in that day to make the most of it? Um because I think that's that's something that was I wasn't doing. You know, I wasn't making the most of it, and I think that was why I was always I'm not living. So yeah, you know, I just say give it a try. You can always go back, you know, if you want. Yeah, but you have to be ready. I think there's like once you're ready, you're ready.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

That's the thing I've just if like exactly once you're like ready and you have your aha moment, right? Like you know, and some people it takes a while. Some people, you know, something drastic has to happen, but like when you know you're ready, you're ready. Like, that was honestly one of the best statements I've heard. Um, so yeah, I learned a lot, but audience Gabe also has a podcast. Why don't you tell us about that?

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Yeah, so it's called Out and About AF. And again, it's kind of sharing uh sobriety journeys from people from the LGBTQIA plus community, um, and our allies. Uh and I only add allies because my community is mostly straight, so I'm like, okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Our friends and family, our friends and family of the Jerry, exactly. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 33:25

When I was going through all this, it was I found all these sober podcasts, but I wasn't really quite relating to them because I'm gay, you know, and uh the few podcasts that were you know who had queer um hosts and guests, I there weren't that many, right? It was very uh and if it was there, the episodes were there, but then they stopped. So I listened to all of them and I was like, okay, what well what's next? And so yeah, I mean, I got gently nudged, I say, to start a podcast, and uh yeah, started, and you know, we launch season three, September third. That's phenomenal.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

That's phenomenal. Yep, great. I love it. Like, we were late on so much. This is great. Like, someone, you know, straight up was said to me one time, like, you just can't catch a break. Grease, I'm like podcast title all the way. 100%. Um, where can we where can people find your pop podcast at?

SPEAKER_00 34:42

Yeah, so I'm on Apple, Spotify, and now YouTube. Um, I didn't start doing YouTube until like the end of season two, and so I'm trying to catch up, but I was like, and then I took a break. It's complicated. Yeah, YouTube. It's a lot of work. I have I have a marketing background and social media, so I love doing it, but when you're doing like three or four different uh businesses and stuff like that, it can get a little tiring. But no, I think it's for sure. Yeah, but I love doing it. It it became a passion project, and the feedback that I've gotten from it is just amazing, you know, getting people into sobriety or even just thinking about it, cutting back a little bit from drinking, you know, can be amazing. And I honestly I feel like there's a movement. There is a movement of sobriety becoming a thing and it being okay. Yeah, because I've even interviewed people who don't have an issue with alcohol, they just don't like it, they don't want it in their lives. So I feel like, and then once I saw your podcast, I was like, thank you. Like, we need more podcasts out there, you know, from our community. So yeah, I think that's it's awesome that you're doing it and can't wait to see.

SPEAKER_01 36:18

And like I agree wholeheartedly with that, and like every sober podcast is always different than another podcast, right? Same sobriety topics, it's not the same, you know, formats or anything like that. Like, every sobriety podcast is different, and I agree with you. We should people becoming sober is growing, growing, growing, growing daily. Like, the more that we have out there, like the better, honestly.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

Yeah, I mean, and even in the what I've been doing during this second year of sobriety, it's just been phenomenal. You know, I became an alcohol-free life coach, mindset coach, uh, started my podcast. I'm now I competed for Mr. Dallas Eagle.

SPEAKER_01 37:07

Uh you did. Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

Yeah. And it was it was a blast. And from that opportunity, I we're now putting together um a sober pride event at the Dallas Eagle. So I love that. Yeah. So I mean, and it's amazing. I'm able to create with create a whole new drink menu that you know nothing but mocktails for them. And you know, it's just uh it's gonna be a daytime uh you know, daytime party, three to five. I don't know if if y'all are in Dallas, shameless plug. Um, but yeah, happening on September 19th. Uh the DJ sober uh will have food and everything like that. So it's gonna be a good time. And I'm I'm glad and fortunate that our community is providing at least spaces right for. I mean, I don't think alcohol's gonna go away. Uh might be slimming down, but if we can have safe spaces within our safe spaces, I think that's that's really awesome.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

And it's crazy too. Like a buddy of mine brought up the other day that he's noticed that a lot of bars and restaurants carry like five or six like non-alcoholic beers or a bunch of non-alcoholic, you know, mocktails and stuff like that. Like it's become like you just said, it's becoming a bigger and better thing for sure. Yeah, for sure. No, I I love it. If you're in Dallas, guys, go check out the Dallas Eagle, that would be great. We're gonna wrap up here, and I hope everyone enjoyed it. You can catch this podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, YouTube, or can't catch a breakpodcast.com. I should know my own website. Um, babe, I loved having you on, and thank you so, so much.

SPEAKER_00 39:01

Yeah, no, thanks for having me. I was it was I was glad to do it. All right, perfect.

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Let's all right, bye everyone.